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RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-01-2025 A different take on Roswell We've all heard the narrative regarding Roswell; this became more or less known to the public at large in the 1970s - 1980s. Back in 1947, there was a press release from Roswell that was quickly retracted, and the matter was largely undiscussed for almost three decades. So, the book I mentioned in the previous comment has an interesting bit on this. The book was written by a Marine aviator, and later in his life, UFO investigator, Donald Keyhoe. What is particularly interesting is his comments were written in NINETEEN FIFTY, that is, only THREE years after whatever happened at Roswell. Here is what he wrote: Quote:They key man in the story seemed to be one George Koehler, of Denver, Colorado. The morning after Purdy called, I took a plane to Denver. During the flight I went over the "little men" story again. It had been printed in over a hundred papers. ... After interviewing Koehler, Keyhoe came to conclusion that the story was a hoax, as Koehler could provide no evidence of his claims. Keyhoe goes on to write, Quote:On the trip back, I bought a paper at the Chicago airport. On an inside page, I ran across Koehler's name. According to the A.P. he had just admitted the whole thing was a big joke. But in spite of this, the "little men" story goes on and on. Well ... hold up. Recalling this is written *just three years* after the event at Roswell, some questions immediately emerge. WHO was this Koehler guy with apparent knowledge of something happening at Roswell (the "radar station on our southwest border") ? Was Koehler actually on the level, or was he the seed of a false narrative that exploded in popularity in the 1970s ? If Koehler was in fact a hoaxer, then what in the world is going on with the testimony of Mac Brazel, Jesse Marcel, etc. regarding events at Roswell ? Why have multiple people, over decades, doubled down so hard on the narrative that is today sacred to the UFO-logy community ? The other curious bit is that Keyhoe's book goes into detail on events like the death of Captain Mantell in the skies over Kentucky, but Keyhoe never mentions Roswell by name. Keyhoe was convinced he was being BS'ed by the U.S. Air Force with their ludicrous "explanations", so it doesn't seem likely he was part of a cover-up designed to hide whatever happened at Roswell. In fact, Keyhoe became convinced the answer to "saucer" sightings was that they came from other worlds, and he believed the government was terrified of how the public might react to such a revelation. And amazingly, so far as I have seen, all of the breathless discussion about Roswell since the 1970s fails to mention Keyhoe's comments in his book written just three years later. Anyone interested in the phenomenon and/or Roswell, Keyhoe's book is well worth reading. He writes well, and mentions many incidents and sightings of the late 1940s. ![]() RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-02-2025 RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-02-2025 RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-03-2025 Just a whiff RE: Some more UFO stuff - Ninurta - 06-04-2025 (05-31-2025, 04:22 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: The book: They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers (1956) by Gray Barker (May 2, 1925 – December 6, 1984). I have encountered references to this book for decades now, but had never, before this, seen an actual copy of it. Imagine my dismay when I discovered that, as a part of the natural aging process, my ancient, decrepit eyes were unable to squint down tightly enough to read it as presented on the screen. To alleviate that, and as a public service to other potentially old blind folks, I present a link to a downloadable PDF version of the book, which can be downloaded and then "blown up" in your favorite PDF reader. . RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-04-2025 (06-04-2025, 03:55 AM)Ninurta Wrote:(05-31-2025, 04:22 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: The book: They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers (1956) by Gray Barker (May 2, 1925 – December 6, 1984). Hi Ninurta, perhaps from my Archive link you're not aware of the zoom-in button which you can make the text HUGE. I'm assuming it will work regardless of which browser you're using. ![]() To exit full-screen just click the cross icon to the right. Also, from that same page if you exit full-screen mode you will see links for a scanned PDF and a PDF with OCR text. RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-04-2025 I'm enjoying reading the old "flying saucers" works of the 1950s. I'm on my third book by Keyhoe. Yet another "prequel" has become evident. He mentions a 1952-53 event in West Virginia. A bright light rapidly drops onto a hilltop. A woman and her son think there may be a fire and go to the site, where they encounter a bizarre entity that terrifies them with its appearance. A later air force investigation claims they saw an owl in the night ![]() And that story description rang a bell ... the Kecksburg Bell. Sounds very similar to -that- story. And many incidents mentioned that are forgotten by today's UFO literature. I also like that they don't use the term "UFO". That term was foisted on us by an establishment desperate to normalize this phenomena so that authority's, well, authority, wasn't eventually challenged because people realized there was something out there much more powerful than anything here on earth. And it is becoming ever more clear the goals of early space exploration efforts were informed by worries of the "above top secret crowd". Big focus on the moon and on Mars, and I think the reason why is that the national security bunch wanted to ensure the saucers weren't based on those celestial bodies. Neatly for them, those were nearby worlds and their relative proximity provided useful cover for prioritizing the reconnaissance and exploration of them. ![]() RE: Some more UFO stuff - Bally002 - 06-04-2025 (06-03-2025, 11:41 PM)727Sky Wrote: Just a whiff Watching this reminded me of 'The AMTRAK WARS' by Patrick Tilley. RIP. A fine set of novels back in the day. Kind regards, Bally) RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-05-2025 USAF Captain Noall Brice Cornwell (aka Guy Kirkwood, Mel Noel) talks about his UFO experiences... “Mel Noel” aka “Guy Kirkwood” aka “Noall Brice Cornwell”: Buried with Military Honors at Miramar National Cemetery. (by Richard Geldreich) For more info checkout Richard Geldreich's Contact in the Desert 2025 Presentation. RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-06-2025 June 6, 1989: Konantsevo, Vologda Oblast, Russia School children near the village of Konantsevo, Vologda Oblast, Russia, see a luminous dot in the sky. ![]() It gets larger, turns into a shining sphere, lands in a meadow, and moves to the Reka Kubena river about a quarter mile away. It seems to split, and a "headless person in dark garb" appears. The entity and sphere become invisible. Three more spheres are said to land later in the same meadow. ![]() Book: UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union. A Cosmic Samizdat by Jacques Vallee (1992, pp. 11–12). ![]() ![]() UFO sightings in Soviet Union, UPI, June 23, 1989: ![]() JUNE 6, 1989, KONANTSEVO, VOLOGDA, RUSSIA, SERGEY BELIAEVSKIY, LUDA RIBAKOVA, SVETA KATERINA, MARINA SHIRIAEVE, SASHA KRASAVIN, OLGA KRYLOVA: Brief summary of the event and follow-up: Quote:Under hypnosis, one of the kids indicated that the beings had a head with three antennas on top, with tiny silver balls on the ends of these antennas, that they were dressed in gray with sorts of black boots without heels, that they had three fingers and that the mouth resembled a triangle with the point upwards, and that there were two small black motionless points, which one says were the eyes. Russian kids drawing of strange robotic beings... ![]() ![]() 1989 Russia #UFOB [CASE] Russian kids in Konantsevo see strange robotic beings: Note this case was less than one month after Bob Lazar was unleashed onto the world via George Knapp. These Russian entity cases are so weird and different from Western ones that at least one obvious source of such entity reports is the human minds. Some of those Soviet sci-fi movies of the 70s-80s for kids are really weird. RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-06-2025 now for the entire interview; The Peruvian face peelers one weird story Quote:Timothy Alberino is an author, researcher, and explorer known for his bestselling book Birthright (2020), which offers a groundbreaking perspective on biblical narratives in the context of artificial intelligence, transhumanism, and UFO disclosure. Often called a modern-day Indiana Jones, Alberino has traveled globally to investigate alternative history, megalithic architecture, ancient giant mythologies, and the UFO phenomenon. His expeditions include leading searches for lost Incan cities in Peru’s Andes with Spanish explorer Anselm Pi Rambla since 2018. Alberino has hosted, produced, and directed documentaries like True Legends: Holocaust of Giants (2017) and True Legends: The Unholy See (2016), exploring topics such as Nephilim, cryptids, and occult conspiracies. A former resident of Peru’s Amazon jungle, where he lived with local communities and mastered Spanish, he now resides in Bozeman, Montana, with his wife, Jasmine, and their five boys. Alberino is an advocate for uncovering hidden truths about human history and biblical prophecy. RE: Some more UFO stuff - Ninurta - 06-06-2025 (06-04-2025, 06:16 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: I'm enjoying reading the old "flying saucers" works of the 1950s. I'm on my third book by Keyhoe. Ah yes, the Flatwoods Monster. Let me assure all listening that no one, absolutely no one, who has lived in West Virginia for any length of time at all will mistake anything for an owl. They know exactly what owls look like, and how big the various sorts are. Quote:I also like that they don't use the term "UFO". That term was foisted on us by an establishment desperate to normalize this phenomena so that authority's, well, authority, wasn't eventually challenged because people realized there was something out there much more powerful than anything here on earth. The term currently in vogue, "UAP", is rapidly growing on me. I say that because I am convinced that many, if not most, of the items in question truly are "phenomena" rather than "objects". Not objects in the traditional sense of the term, as in something solid you can punch with a fist or hold under water or accidentally bump into as you are walking along. Too many these days are amorphous, shape-changing, insubstantial areas, akin to mist, rather than solid somethings. . RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-06-2025 At ETMN-- Quote:These Russian entity cases are so weird and different from Western ones that at least one obvious source of such entity reports is the human minds. People like Vallee (IIRC) have suggested that the phenomena uses imagery from our own minds to alter our perception of encounters. I would expect people from different cultures to "see" different sights. ![]() RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-08-2025 So recently, I read three books by Donald Keyhoe, Frank Scully's book, and Gray Barker's book. Of the five, I found Keyhoe's to be overall the most informative. Scully talks a LOT more about the guy from Denver who claimed knowledge of downed saucers and goes into detail as to how they operate, but ultimately the story in unconvincing. Barker's book is mostly about the emergence of the MIB phenomenon although they were not yet referred to as "MIBs". One thing that jumps out is how early the people in DC started lying about the saucers and how eager they were to paint witnesses as crazed, fools, mistaken, or under the influence of something. What it looks like to me is that the intel community used propaganda and counter-intel techniques developed to fight truly dangerous enemies like the Germans of World War II ... against ordinary Americans, some of whom, at least, were making reports in good faith. And IMO, later down the road, the intel community saw what they called "UFOs" as a great cover to disguise U.S. testing and development of advanced aircraft. I have to wonder about the claims of reverse-engineered saucers. -If- it has happened, I can only believe the group that understands the tech is practically a breakaway civilization now that maintains liaison of some kind with the ordinary DC bureaucracy. Any knowledge of that kind sure as sh** hasn't trickled into the mainstream, although, one might be able to make a case for that regarding the development of transistors in 1947. There are endless wrinkles and rabbit holes associated with the phenomenon, so it was refreshing to read works from the early days when the situation was relatively less complex. ![]() RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-09-2025 RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-09-2025 Kinda think Ross will be waiting a long time on any full disclosure from any government. ![]() RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-10-2025 Some more commentary on the affair with George Koehler, the Denver fellow and Scully's subsequent book about the "saucer downed at a radar station in the southwest". This is an interesting read --> https://www.physics.smu.edu/~pseudo/UFOs/Scully/ Couple of comments. First, a tentative timeline. Whatever happened at Roswell in 1947, there was a sensational news report at first. The sensation was played down by the USAF, but people would have heard about it and talked about it. My take is that the people who hoaxed Scully (Newton and Gebauer) were aware of the 1947 report and built their hoax of crashed saucers around that tale. Scully played it up in his book and apparently never bothered to check if their claims held water. Later, Keyhoe looked into the claims by Koehler and decided the affair was fake (kudos to Keyhoe). But the notion of a crashed saucer in the southwest had taken root, and exploded into public consciousness in the 1970s re: Roswell. So, while I think the initial Roswell reports seeded the hoax of Newton and Gebauer, the Roswell affair had a life of its own that was demonstrated by statements made decades later by people who had some or other connection with whatever happened there in 1947. IOW, the Koehler-Newton-Gebauer-Scully bit was a sideshow. That makes one wonder, though. Keyhoe was fairly detailed in mentioning reports of the early years -- so why did he not mention the report that came out of Roswell in 1947 ? That is at best an odd omission on his part. The other comment regards the article I pointed out above with the URL. The "reporter" mentioned, "J. P. Cahn" went to a LOT of trouble to unravel the hoax. And I would say, he went to TOO much trouble to unravel the hoax, if one assumes his only motivation was journalism. For starters, he had to travel a bit to interview these people, and even took the trouble of learning the techniques of magicians so that he could steal an artefact from Newton to submit for analysis at no less a distinguished laboratory than the Stanford Research Institute. I mean, who was this guy Cahn, and why was he so determined to expose a hoax ? The travel, the work hours, the analysis of the metal disk ... all that added up to a fair amount of money. Was Cahn working on his own initiative, and, if not, who directed (and apparently funded) his investigation ... an investigation more like that of a very competent private detective versus that of someone writing copy for the San Francisco Examiner ? And that bit about Cahn getting access to the telephone records of Newton ... isn't that something that usually requires a search warrant ? "A checkup revealed he phoned often to ..." ... um, just WHO provided Cahn that information in such an apparently casual manner ? I don't doubt that Cahn uncovered a hoax, but I find his own motives at best questionable. In fact, Cahn went further after exposing the hoax in that he found victims of swindles by Newton and Gebauer: Quote:The rest of the article details Cahn's efforts at finding people who had been swindled by Newton and GeBauer. He was trying to find a victim for whom the 3-year statute of limitations had not run; such an individual could file charges and get the swindlers prosecuted. Herman Flader was just that person; Newton and GeBauer had taken him for $231,432.30, which was a LOT of money in 1950. Cahn went on to describe the details of the swindle, the filing of charges, the arrest of the two, and the trial in Denver. Wow! This Cahn guy is not only a reporter, he is some kind of crime fighter to boot! Again: who was paying him to do this investigation, and why ? Lotsa questions about this one. ![]() RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-11-2025 RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-11-2025 RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 06-12-2025 Yeah, that WSJ article was disinfo crap. So many terrified 'authorities' out there, it seems. More proof of how compromised the 'mainstream' media is. ![]() |