Freemasonry and Islam

[Ninurta]

The thread is i guess more about secret societys .  I fundamentally oppose any unelected group or secret society that trys to steer / decide / force the outcome of everything in World / country level . It`s basically some kind of hidden totalitarian power used to control other people .....in the shadows while they drink brandy and smoke cigars in their meetings. F em all .

That apostates thing is just so crazy and wrong , pure lunacy .If that represent islam , it`s not looking a peacefull religion.

I'm opposed to Overlords in any form, whether secret or in-your-face overlords. A man must be able to think for himself and act for himself, unfettered by someone else's dogmas. That is the essence of freedom and liberty.

As for apostasy and violent religions, ANY religion is only as peaceful as it's individual adherents interpret it to be. Not so long ago, the Catholic Church had an iron grip on European governments, and promoted some pretty soul-crushing doctrines to facilitate it's continued grip on power. There were the stake-burnings and torture of alleged "heretics" to contend with, for example, not to mention the Spanish Inquisition, all done in the name of a God who did not know the torturers. While these things were done in the name of their God, the actual reasons were to maintain the grip of power over people of the Catholic Church itself, or the various heads of state ("kings") of Europe.

A glaring example would be the destruction of the French Huguenot settlements in the Americas by agents of the Spanish Crown - all done in the name of their God, and claimed as acts of piety, but in reality done to keep the French out of slave-lands claimed by the Spanish. Learning of the massacres at Charlesfort and Fort Caroline in Florida and South Carolina respectively by Menendez makes for some pretty harrowing reading.

My position on such things is that any god who requires his adherents to maim and murder on his behalf, who cannot seem to get it done for himself if he wants it done, but must rely on the arms of his followers, is not much of a god in my book. I cannot bring myself to follow a "god" if I am more powerful than that"god" is, and must do it's bidding because it cannot do things for itself.

Likewise, a "god" who can only keep followers through torture and murder is not a "god" I care to follow. If that "god" doesn't have anything positive to offer and has to keep folks in line by killing them at the hands of their fellows, then it's not a "god" I want anything to do with.

That goes for "Christian" and Moslem "gods" alike. If the "gods" they claim are weaker than their own right arms, then maybe they should seek out another God.

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