Freemasonry and Islam

[Kenzo1]

So here is something that today would be attacked as "conspiracy theory":

The Rhodes Scholarships, established by the terms of Cecil Rhodes's seventh will, are
known to everyone. What is not so widely known is that Rhodes in five previous wills
left his fortune to form a secret society, which was to devote itself to the preservation and
expansion of the British Empire. And what does not seem to be known to anyone is that
this secret society was created by Rhodes and his principal trustee, Lord Milner, and
continues to exist to this day. To be sure, this secret society is not a childish thing like the
Ku Klux Klan, and it does not have any secret robes, secret handclasps, or secret
passwords. It does not need any of these, since its members know each other intimately.
It probably has no oaths of secrecy nor any formal procedure of initiation. It does,
however, exist and holds secret meetings, over which the senior member present presides.
At various times since 1891, these meetings have been presided over by Rhodes, Lord
Milner, Lord Selborne, Sir Patrick Duncan, Field Marshal Jan Smuts, Lord Lothian, and
Lord Brand. They have been held in all the British Dominions, starting in South Africa
about 1903; in various places in London, chiefly 175 Piccadilly; at various colleges at
Oxford, chiefly All Souls; and at many English country houses such as Tring Park,
Blickling Hall, Cliveden, and others.

This "Milner Group" had tremendous influence in events of the 20th century.

Was the above written by a feverish believer in conspiracy theories ?

Not at all.  In fact, it was written by a well respected professor of history at Georgetown University: Carroll Quigley.

From the preface to "The Anglo American establishment", published in 1981.

Of note is that his courses were very popular with the Washington establishment.

Who needs a secret handshake when secret meetings can be arranged by other means ? 

Another gang , and it`s new to me     

Feels like the public face of society is just a front , and the another part in the shadows is the real player . a Two tier society .

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The thread is i guess more about secret societys .  I fundamentally oppose any unelected group or secret society that trys to steer / decide / force the outcome of everything in World / country level . It`s basically some kind of hidden totalitarian power used to control other people .....in the shadows while they drink brandy and smoke cigars in their meetings. F em all .

That apostates thing is just so crazy and wrong , pure lunacy .If that represent islam , it`s not looking a peacefull religion.

I'm opposed to Overlords in any form, whether secret or in-your-face overlords. A man must be able to think for himself and act for himself, unfettered by someone else's dogmas. That is the essence of freedom and liberty.

As for apostasy and violent religions, ANY religion is only as peaceful as it's individual adherents interpret it to be. Not so long ago, the Catholic Church had an iron grip on European governments, and promoted some pretty soul-crushing doctrines to facilitate it's continued grip on power. There were the stake-burnings and torture of alleged "heretics" to contend with, for example, not to mention the Spanish Inquisition, all done in the name of a God who did not know the torturers. While these things were done in the name of their God, the actual reasons were to maintain the grip of power over people of the Catholic Church itself, or the various heads of state ("kings") of Europe.

A glaring example would be the destruction of the French Huguenot settlements in the Americas by agents of the Spanish Crown - all done in the name of their God, and claimed as acts of piety, but in reality done to keep the French out of slave-lands claimed by the Spanish. Learning of the massacres at Charlesfort and Fort Caroline in Florida and South Carolina respectively by Menendez makes for some pretty harrowing reading.

My position on such things is that any god who requires his adherents to maim and murder on his behalf, who cannot seem to get it done for himself if he wants it done, but must rely on the arms of his followers, is not much of a god in my book. I cannot bring myself to follow a "god" if I am more powerful than that"god" is, and must do it's bidding because it cannot do things for itself.

Likewise, a "god" who can only keep followers through torture and murder is not a "god" I care to follow. If that "god" doesn't have anything positive to offer and has to keep folks in line by killing them at the hands of their fellows, then it's not a "god" I want anything to do with.

That goes for "Christian" and Moslem "gods" alike. If the "gods" they claim are weaker than their own right arms, then maybe they should seek out another God.

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Yeeh bad things , a lot bad things have happened in the name of religions .

True wisdom there , in your words.....you have gained even more wisdom as getting older . I gues you seen enough in your lifetime to connect the dots .

I have serious doubts can humans ever grow out from all this crap . It`s not visible in the horizon i would say...