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RE: Make war , not love - babushka - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 02:49 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote:(03-04-2026, 02:11 PM)quintessentone Wrote:(03-04-2026, 11:51 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Presidential Spiritual Adviser Paula White
Tell me again , what`s the difference between Iranian theocracy and United States religious uh..oh ....what the hell is this ?
I see your spiritual advisor speaking for God and raise with a Professor's prediction.
Nice analysis from Professor Jiang .
The economic side of this is also scary as Jiang descripes .
why don't you just say you hate white men and especially Christians and get over it
RE: Make war , not love - Kenzo1 - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 03:04 PM)babushka Wrote:(03-04-2026, 02:49 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote:(03-04-2026, 02:11 PM)quintessentone Wrote:(03-04-2026, 11:51 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Presidential Spiritual Adviser Paula White
Tell me again , what`s the difference between Iranian theocracy and United States religious uh..oh ....what the hell is this ?
I see your spiritual advisor speaking for God and raise with a Professor's prediction.
Nice analysis from Professor Jiang .
The economic side of this is also scary as Jiang descripes .
why don't you just say you hate white men and especially Christians and get over it
Who is the " you" ? I really dont understand your point .
RE: Make war , not love - Kenzo1 - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 11:51 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Presidential Spiritual Adviser Paula White
Tell me again , what`s the difference between Iranian theocracy and United States religious uh..oh ....what the hell is this ?
Marco Rubio: "Iran is run by lunatics, religious fanatic lunatics "
Yeeh ? maybe there is some issues in homeland also ?
RE: Make war , not love - quintessentone - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 02:49 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote:(03-04-2026, 02:11 PM)quintessentone Wrote:(03-04-2026, 11:51 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Presidential Spiritual Adviser Paula White
Tell me again , what`s the difference between Iranian theocracy and United States religious uh..oh ....what the hell is this ?
I see your spiritual advisor speaking for God and raise with a Professor's prediction.
Nice analysis from Professor Jiang .
The economic side of this is also scary as Jiang descripes .
Now we know why the USA is in it.
Which countries attacked first, again?
"The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain) are the linchpin of the U.S. economy, as they sell oil in U.S. dollars and recycle petrodollars into American financial markets.
- Iran’s strategy focuses on targeting critical infrastructure in the GCC, including oil facilities, water desalination plants (which supply 60% of GCC water), and the Strait of Hormuz, through which 90% of GCC food imports pass.
- If Iran successfully disrupts these systems, the GCC states may lose the ability to sell oil and finance the U.S. economy, leading to the bursting of the AI and data center investment bubble that currently props up the U.S. economy.
- Jiang describes this U.S. economic model as a "financial Ponzi scheme"—its stability depends on continuous inflows from Gulf investments. If those stop, the entire system could collapse.
- The war is not about territorial gain but a long-term contest of endurance, where Iran aims to make U.S. defense of the Gulf economically unsustainable."
https://think.ing.com/articles/war-in-the-middle-east-implications-for-markets-and-macro/
You see how it's a push/pull scenario?
RE: Make war , not love - Michigan Swamp Buck - 03-04-2026
I say, "Drop-In, and Tune Out".
Who cares what some military commander(s) think about or say? They aren't paid to think, only follow commands. If they say anything outside of doing their duty and following commands that come down the ladder, then that is candid and personal. Like hanging out at the bar with your co-workers and shooting the shit, it's off the clock.
Besides, it could be true, although that would surprise the hell out of me. A lot has to happen before the vengeful Lord comes back to Earth. I think of the rebuilding of the temple as the final 10-second countdown (so to speak), but a lot of shit has to hit the fan first.
RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 03:04 PM)babushka Wrote:(03-04-2026, 02:49 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote:(03-04-2026, 02:11 PM)quintessentone Wrote:(03-04-2026, 11:51 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Presidential Spiritual Adviser Paula White
Tell me again , what`s the difference between Iranian theocracy and United States religious uh..oh ....what the hell is this ?
I see your spiritual advisor speaking for God and raise with a Professor's prediction.
Nice analysis from Professor Jiang .
The economic side of this is also scary as Jiang descripes .
why don't you just say you hate white men and especially Christians and get over it
Simmer down.
I f you have issues with the videos, address those, not the poster.
For example - and this happens to be a true story here - even my favorite Christian Nationalist Fundamentalist heard the video of the blonde lady going off, and said "That woman has lost it! Is she being fitted for a straight jacket yet? She needs to be..."
In the second video, the one with the Nuttyy Professor (he even looks a bit like Jerry Lewis!), hte professor is betraying his deeply Leftist academia background by putting forth arguments that hold no water. For example, he gives us the very central flaw in his own analysis when he says "Iran is threatening the existence of the GCC states" True enough as far as it goes, but then he extrapolates from that by claiming the GCC states will pressure the US to stop fighting, because of the threat to their existence. That's not logical when human psychology is taken into account. People whose existence is threatened by an opponent who cannot be placated DO NOT continue trying to placate them. Instead, those people gird their loins for war and join the fight while the fighting is good.
He also makes the bold claim that the war started because of "hubris". I agree with him there, but differ on the source of that hubris. He says it was hubris from the US, but I now know that the hubris came from Iran - they miscalculated their own position vs. the US position during the Oman negotiations and made a too bold move that has blown up in their faces. Literally, blown up in their faces.
What happened during the Oman negotiations was that Iran entered the chamber full of arrogance and hubris, and made the bold statement that they had bypassed sanctions and controls, and were now in possession of 460 kg of 60% enriched fissionable uranium, then followed that statement up with the comment that they had enough uranium already to build 11 nukes. They further contended that meant THEY were in the position of negotiating from strength, and that the US had no strength in the negotiations to negotiate from. Therefore, Iran was not going to concede to ANY demands, they were going to dictate terms.
The US response was "oh. I see. Well, if you're not going to concede anything,then that's not a negotiation. Therefore these negotiations are over. Have a nice day then." and walked out of the talks, since there was nothing left to talk about.
A few hours later, stuff started blowing up in Iran.
So, yeah, hubris DID play a large part in it, just not from the direction the Nutty professor claims.
ETA: in the last minute of the video, the Nutty Professor REALLY drops his gloves and exposes his true face - that is one of the most batshit crazy screeds in a single rant that I have heard in quite a long time. It sounds like he is trying to synthesize a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory from all of the bits and pieces he can pull out of his ass!
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RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 03:44 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Marco Rubio: "Iran is run by lunatics, religious fanatic lunatics "
Yeeh ? maybe there is some issues in homeland also ?
There are most definitely issues on the home front, but that isn't one of them.
Folks need to decide whether Trump is a religious pretender or a religious zealot. One minute they are pointing out that he doesn't even know how to hold a Bible, then next they are claiming he is such a hyper-religious True Believer™ that he's going to war over nebulous "prophecies". Which is it?
Eve the Christian Nationalist Fundamentalists that I know are listening to the arguments and saying "Where the hell is THAT coming from? Do they know nothing at all about Christian Fundamentalism or prophecies?"
It' a pretty wild ride!
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RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 05:12 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: I say, "Drop-In, and Tune Out".
Who cares what some military commander(s) think about or say? They aren't paid to think, only follow commands. If they say anything outside of doing their duty and following commands that come down the ladder, then that is candid and personal. Like hanging out at the bar with your co-workers and shooting the shit, it's off the clock.
Besides, it could be true, although that would surprise the hell out of me. A lot has to happen before the vengeful Lord comes back to Earth. I think of the rebuilding of the temple as the final 10-second countdown (so to speak), but a lot of shit has to hit the fan first.
Just think what would happen if a stray Iranian missile took out the Dome of the Rock - the Doom Prophets™ would go wild with ecstatic speculation! Prepare the fatted red heifer! The end is nigh!
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RE: Make war , not love - Kenzo1 - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 06:23 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(03-04-2026, 03:44 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Marco Rubio: "Iran is run by lunatics, religious fanatic lunatics "
Yeeh ? maybe there is some issues in homeland also ?
There are most definitely issues on the home front, but that isn't one of them.
Folks need to decide whether Trump is a religious pretender or a religious zealot. One minute they are pointing out that he doesn't even know how to hold a Bible, then next they are claiming he is such a hyper-religious True Believer™ that he's going to war over nebulous "prophecies". Which is it?
Eve the Christian Nationalist Fundamentalists that I know are listening to the arguments and saying "Where the hell is THAT coming from? Do they know nothing at all about Christian Fundamentalism or prophecies?"
It' a pretty wild ride!
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I never see Trump as a religious ,he is pretender .
But are the Iranian clerics neither ? Killing Iranian citizens has been big sport there for at least 50 years for the clerics there , so i would rate them to same gategory as fake religious pretenders .
RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 06:59 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: I never see Trump as a religious ,he is pretender .
But are the Iranian clerics neither ? Killing Iranian citizens has been big sport there for at least 50 years for the clerics there , so i would rate them to same gategory as fake religious pretenders .
From my perspective, the main difference is that the actions you describe are one of the main pillars of Fundamentalist Islam - kill off people until the rest fall into line. "Kill the infidel until the whole world is for Allah". It's a similar philosophy to what the Catholic Church had during the Inquisition. They killed off thousands and thousands of other Christians, but Protestants, because those Protestants would not tow the Catholic line.
In contrast, Christianity has moved beyond that, and even the Christian Nationalists / Fundamentalists prefer to try to impose their will on others via the political process rather than by direct killings. They have realized that when you kill someone, you can no longer exert control over them...
... and in the final analysis, it's all about the control, rather than the religion.
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RE: Make war , not love - Moon68 - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 07:52 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(03-04-2026, 06:59 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: I never see Trump as a religious ,he is pretender .
But are the Iranian clerics neither ? Killing Iranian citizens has been big sport there for at least 50 years for the clerics there , so i would rate them to same gategory as fake religious pretenders .
From my perspective, the main difference is that the actions you describe are one of the main pillars of Fundamentalist Islam - kill off people until the rest fall into line. "Kill the infidel until the whole world is for Allah". It's a similar philosophy to what the Catholic Church had during the Inquisition. They killed off thousands and thousands of other Christians, but Protestants, because those Protestants would not tow the Catholic line.
In contrast, Christianity has moved beyond that, and even the Christian Nationalists / Fundamentalists prefer to try to impose their will on others via the political process rather than by direct killings. They have realized that when you kill someone, you can no longer exert control over them...
... and in the final analysis, it's all about the control, rather than the religion.
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Exactly! All the world's major religions have experienced a reformation EXCEPT for Islam. As written, the Qur'an and Hadith isn't compatible with the modern world, same as Old Testament fundamentalism.
RE: Make war , not love - YesItsMe - 03-04-2026
As a veteran I say that any notion of end times theology driving the war is absurd. There is ZERO chance that those in charge would be giving orders or sermons to the troops on it. And anyone who knows Christian theology knows that Iran doesn't play a major roll in the end times. Any thought of that comes from the Muslim end times Mahdi teachings, which read like the antichrist in Christian teachings.
RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 08:46 PM)Moon68 Wrote: Exactly! All the world's major religions have experienced a reformation EXCEPT for Islam. As written, the Qur'an and Hadith isn't compatible with the modern world, same as Old Testament fundamentalism.
I think that some elements of Islam ARE trying to reform it, right now, and the current resurgence of Fundamentalist Islam is a throwback to the 7th and 8th centuries in a bid to drag it back into the medieval era (from their perspective "back to it's roots"), and is just a reaction to the attempted reforms.
A bloody, nasty, "stack bodies as high as you can, just like Mohammed did" reaction, but a reaction nonetheless.
With any luck, they will eventually move into the political arena to attempt imposing their will as well, but in order to do that, they are going to have to dissociate their politics from their religion from their social order and financial order to some degree, and they clearly are not yet up to that stage
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RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 09:13 PM)YesItsMe Wrote: As a veteran I say that any notion of end times theology driving the war is absurd. There is ZERO chance that those in charge would be giving orders or sermons to the troops on it. And anyone who knows Christian theology knows that Iran doesn't play a major roll in the end times. Any thought of that comes from the Muslim end times Mahdi teachings, which read like the antichrist in Christian teachings.
Exactly. The prophecy of "black flags riding out of Khorasan" is a Muslim prophecy, not a Christian or Jewish one. "Khorasan" is a vague and undefined area in eastern Iran and western Afghanistan. I can find no reason that Christians would suddenly embrace Islamic prophecies.
I did, however, find a video of one lunatic reaching hard, trying to equate modern events with prophecies from the Old testament about the Elamites.
Elam was a very small area in what is now western Iran, right on the Gulf bordering Sumeria, and not going any farther into Iran than the first few mountain ranges of the Zagros.
Elam had ceased to exist by 550 BC.
It was a Big Deal back in the days of Sumeria and Assyria, say around 2500 BC to maybe 1500 BC, but by end-of-life it had dwindled down to a footnote of history, hardly worthy of any prophetic notice. That's why they could get away back then with "prophecies" of Elam's impending doom - it was already gone.
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RE: Make war , not love - The Crying Bunny - 03-05-2026
I don't remember a time, maybe Vietnam, where there was so much vitriol towards our military and their leadership.
The "war" isn't even a week old and so many on the left are foreseeing a loss, failure.
My son is active-duty Air Force, so excuse the F### out of me, I DO take this shit personally.
RE: Make war , not love - Kenzo1 - 03-05-2026
(03-05-2026, 12:25 AM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: I don't remember a time, maybe Vietnam, where there was so much vitriol towards our military and their leadership.
The "war" isn't even a week old and so many on the left are foreseeing a loss, failure.
My son is active-duty Air Force, so excuse the F### out of me, I DO take this shit personally.
I thought that this is not anymore a left vs right thing ....
RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-05-2026
(03-05-2026, 08:52 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote:(03-05-2026, 12:25 AM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: I don't remember a time, maybe Vietnam, where there was so much vitriol towards our military and their leadership.
The "war" isn't even a week old and so many on the left are foreseeing a loss, failure.
My son is active-duty Air Force, so excuse the F### out of me, I DO take this shit personally.
I thought that this is not anymore a left vs right thing ....
It shouldn't be, but the more time goes by, the stronger the division lines are appearing. We already know the politics of politicians who speak on the matter, and we hear what comes out of their mouths... and that makes it increasingly obvious that it is, in fact, a "right vs. left" thing.
Judging by the reactions of the politicians, we can immediately see who is "left" and who is "right" just by seeing who it is that is trying to snatch a defeat right out of the jaws of victory. Those calling for a "loss" or a "failure" when there is no evidence so far that such will be the case are simply projecting their wishful thinking and fondest dreams of America taking an ass-whoopin' out into the public arena.
And those politicians are, invariably and to a man, on the Left. I think it may be in large part because it's taking attention from their pet war in the Ukraine. The Ukraine is the Left's pet war, and I don't think they like it even a little bit that there is a competing war distracting from it.
How dare Trump pound the crap out of folks who have been threatening us for 47 years when he could be funneling all that war materiel into a Russian Civil War we've got no business involving ourselves in?
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RE: Make war , not love - Kenzo1 - 03-05-2026
(03-05-2026, 09:30 AM)Ninurta Wrote:(03-05-2026, 08:52 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote:(03-05-2026, 12:25 AM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: I don't remember a time, maybe Vietnam, where there was so much vitriol towards our military and their leadership.
The "war" isn't even a week old and so many on the left are foreseeing a loss, failure.
My son is active-duty Air Force, so excuse the F### out of me, I DO take this shit personally.
I thought that this is not anymore a left vs right thing ....
It shouldn't be, but the more time goes by, the stronger the division lines are appearing. We already know the politics of politicians who speak on the matter, and we hear what comes out of their mouths... and that makes it increasingly obvious that it is, in fact, a "right vs. left" thing.
Judging by the reactions of the politicians, we can immediately see who is "left" and who is "right" just by seeing who it is that is trying to snatch a defeat right out of the jaws of victory. Those calling for a "loss" or a "failure" when there is no evidence so far that such will be the case are simply projecting their wishful thinking and fondest dreams of America taking an ass-whoopin' out into the public arena.
And those politicians are, invariably and to a man, on the Left. I think it may be in large part because it's taking attention from their pet war in the Ukraine. The Ukraine is the Left's pet war, and I don't think they like it even a little bit that there is a competing war distracting from it.
How dare Trump pound the crap out of folks who have been threatening us for 47 years when he could be funneling all that war materiel into a Russian Civil War we've got no business involving ourselves in?
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I cant get accurate numbers from here, far away...but it has looked like part of the MAGA people have signed off from supporting Trump after Epstein and specially after Iran war , people who where from hardline right . So to me there is dissatisfaction to this war on both camps.
RE: Make war , not love - Ninurta - 03-05-2026
(03-05-2026, 10:18 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: I cant get accurate numbers from here, far away...but it has looked like part of the MAGA people have signed off from supporting Trump after Epstein and specially after Iran war , people who where from hardline right . So to me there is dissatisfaction to this war on both camps.
None that I know of, other than maybe Marjorie Taylor Green. But her gripes with Trump are not really over Epstein OR the Iran war. She had a falling out with Trump some time ago, and now she's just looking for excuses to gripe about him. She probably shouldn't be looking to the Left for those excuses, but that is her mistake to make. In all honesty, she's probably finished in politics anyhow, after walking off her job and leaving her constituents high and dry... so really whether she's making a mistake or not by looking Left for her excuses won't matter in the end.
Most of the alleged "right-wingers" opposing giving Iran their well-deserved comeuppance are not really right-wingers at all. They are what we call "RINOs" over here - "Republican In Name Only". That would be people like the Cheneys and the Bushes - people who profess to be "Right" while always taking the actions and supporting the talking points of the "Left".
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RE: Make war , not love - quintessentone - 03-05-2026
(03-05-2026, 12:25 AM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: I don't remember a time, maybe Vietnam, where there was so much vitriol towards our military and their leadership.
The "war" isn't even a week old and so many on the left are foreseeing a loss, failure.
My son is active-duty Air Force, so excuse the F### out of me, I DO take this shit personally.
From what I am hearing from veterans on independent podcasts is what they are all saying is that no war can or has ever been won strictly from bombing strikes but that boots on the ground are needed.
With Iran having prepared for such a war as this over the last 20 years, how can anyone think that a ground assault will succeed?
Others are asking whether or not Israel will nuke Iran to level the land so as to be able to take all the oil and minerals. (Venezuela's are not enough it would seem.)