(03-15-2026, 03:37 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:36 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:25 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I hate wars that are started by homicidal maniacs and power hungry and greedy elitist that think they are untouchable and above the law.

If that's true then you would hate the government of Iran, including their clerics.
Because they've been engaged in an unending war for 50 years.

Iran didn't start this war, Israel did and dragged Trump along by the nose.

Quote:Analyzing the Evidence: Who Started This Conflict?

The Pattern Is Clear

The chronological evidence demonstrates that Iran initiated and has consistently escalated this conflict:

1. [b]Ideological Foundation:[/b] Iran made Israel's destruction a state goal in 1979
   
2. [b]Terror Infrastructure:[/b] Iran created proxy armies specifically to attack Israeli civilians
   
3. [b]Global Campaign:[/b] Iran conducted worldwide terror attacks against Jewish and Israeli targets
   
4. [b]Nuclear Threat:[/b] Iran secretly developed nuclear weapons while threatening genocide
   
5. [b]Continuous Escalation:[/b] Iran has consistently expanded its military capabilities and proxy network
   
6. [b]October 7 Massacre:[/b] Iran orchestrated the largest terror attack in Israeli history
   
7. [b]Multi-Front War:[/b] Iran activated all proxies for coordinated assault
   
8. [b]Direct Attacks:[/b] Iran escalated to direct missile attacks on Israeli cities
   

(03-15-2026, 03:46 PM)putnam6 Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:37 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:36 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:25 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I hate wars that are started by homicidal maniacs and power hungry and greedy elitist that think they are untouchable and above the law.

If that's true then you would hate the government of Iran, including their clerics.
Because they've been engaged in an unending war for 50 years.

Iran didn't start this war, Israel did and dragged Trump along by the nose.

So forget the 47 years of suffering of the millions of average Iranian women at the hands of fanatical clerics who think women, your mothers, daughters, and sisters are subhuman animals to be used and abused by men?

The hypocrisy is thick...

(03-15-2026, 03:44 PM)quintessentone Wrote: If Iran wanted to destroy Israel they could have done it easily within that timeframe. 

(03-15-2026, 04:03 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:44 PM)quintessentone Wrote: If Iran wanted to destroy Israel they could have done it easily within that timeframe. 

Israel is a nuclear country.  If Iran went straight for them, Iran would have been destroyed.  Iran has been poking the bear for 50  years wanting a war with Israel.  One they could blame on Israel.   It's what their absurd religion demands.   Now Iran has what it has wanted all along.  It thinks the other Muslim nations are going to join them.  But they won't.

(03-15-2026, 03:54 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:46 PM)putnam6 Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:37 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:36 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:25 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I hate wars that are started by homicidal maniacs and power hungry and greedy elitist that think they are untouchable and above the law.

If that's true then you would hate the government of Iran, including their clerics.
Because they've been engaged in an unending war for 50 years.

Iran didn't start this war, Israel did and dragged Trump along by the nose.

So forget the 47 years of suffering of the millions of average Iranian women at the hands of fanatical clerics who think women, your mothers, daughters, and sisters are subhuman animals to be used and abused by men?

The hypocrisy is thick...

The hypocrisy is thick because you nor your government give a rat's ass about the women in that country, nor in Afghanistan where you left that vile mess and where women are now the most abused in the world.

Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, with the women in some of your states where women have no dominion over their bodies, and where pastors like that Wilson guy want to strip women of their human and voting rights and whom Hegseth kisses his feet.

Quote:The hypocrisy is thick because you nor your government give a rat's ass about the women in that country, nor in Afghanistan where you left that vile mess and where women are now the most abused in the world.

Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, with the women in some of your states where women have no dominion over their bodies, and where pastors like that Wilson guy want to strip women of their human and voting rights and whom Hegseth kisses his feet.

(03-15-2026, 03:54 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, 

(03-15-2026, 04:05 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Iran is striking back 

(03-15-2026, 04:08 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:54 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, 

My God.  Where do you get your propaganda from?   IRAN is where women are constantly thrown in prison and raped for things like showing a little hair from their hijabs.   There is no government sanctioned activity where ICE throws innocent women in jail and rapes them.   There was ONE person who ALLEGEDLY sexually assaulted an illegal alien woman detainee.

(03-15-2026, 04:08 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:54 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, 

My God.  Where do you get your propaganda from?   IRAN is where women are constantly thrown in prison and raped for things like showing a little hair from their hijabs.   There is no government sanctioned activity where ICE throws innocent women in jail and rapes them.   There was ONE person who ALLEGEDLY sexually assaulted an illegal alien woman detainee.

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(03-15-2026, 04:05 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Iran is striking back 

No.  Iran has been initiating this for 50 years.  It wants war.  It's the whole reason it exists.  They think they exist to fight along side their fake Mahdi in an end of the world war that will slaughter all the nonMuslims.   They think the Muslim nations will join them.   This is basic stuff.

(03-15-2026, 04:16 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Afghanistan has the most horrific domestic violence against women in the world and guess which country created that or allowed that happen?

Quote:As for ICE raping incarcerated women:

(03-15-2026, 04:23 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 04:16 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Afghanistan has the most horrific domestic violence against women in the world and guess which country created that or allowed that happen?

Afghanistan.  

Quote:As for ICE raping incarcerated women:

Yeah, like I said, one ICE agent accused of sexual assault of a woman in custody.   That's it.   And you posted a link to another ICE agent who was engaged in criminal activities outside of the custody facilities where women are held.  

There are over 22,000 ICE agents in America.   And neither of those you linked to had their crimes sanctioned by the government.   They were prosecuted.

Your position is extremely weak.

(03-15-2026, 04:32 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: Well, I'm glad the US and Israel are finally doing this to Iran.

We've had every president since Carter ignore Iran, or appease or bribe Iran.

Next is Cuba!

(03-15-2026, 04:28 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Some of your states governments sanction taking away a woman's right to choose. 

(03-15-2026, 04:28 PM)quintessentone Wrote: your government does not give a rat's ass about how women are treated in other countries, if they did, they would not have left Afghanistan the way the did,

(03-15-2026, 03:54 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:46 PM)putnam6 Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:37 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:36 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:25 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I hate wars that are started by homicidal maniacs and power hungry and greedy elitist that think they are untouchable and above the law.

If that's true then you would hate the government of Iran, including their clerics.
Because they've been engaged in an unending war for 50 years.

Iran didn't start this war, Israel did and dragged Trump along by the nose.

So forget the 47 years of suffering of the millions of average Iranian women at the hands of fanatical clerics who think women, your mothers, daughters, and sisters are subhuman animals to be used and abused by men?

The hypocrisy is thick...

The hypocrisy is thick because you nor your government give a rat's ass about the women in that country, nor in Afghanistan where you left that vile mess and where women are now the most abused in the world.

Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, with the women in some of your states where women have no dominion over their bodies, and where pastors like that Wilson guy want to strip women of their human and voting rights and whom Hegseth kisses his feet.

Quote:Direct Comparison (Since 2015)

• Rapes/Sexual Abuse: ICE → Low hundreds of allegations total; handful of convictions. Iran → At least dozens documented rapes in protests + 63+ in one recent year (societal likely thousands more); millions impacted via high prevalence.
  
• Beatings/Abuse: ICE → Subset of hundreds of complaints. Iran → Millions affected domestically + thousands in protests/state actions.
  
• Killings: ICE → None tied directly to agent sexual abuse. Iran → Thousands (honor/domestic).
  
  
• Scale Factor: Iran’s absolute numbers dwarf ICE’s by factors of 10–100+ (or more when including unreported) because it covers an entire national population with entrenched cultural/legal impunity vs. a narrow U.S. detention system. Per-person rates differ too (ICE: rare in closed system; Iran: widespread societal + state).
  
  

Data gaps exist on both sides (underreporting common; Iran’s opacity worse), and sources include government reviews, advocacy groups (Amnesty, HRANA, ACLU), and journalism. These are illegal/condemned where substantiated, with varying accountability.

(03-15-2026, 04:32 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: Well, I'm glad the US and Israel are finally doing this to Iran.

We've had every president since Carter ignore Iran, or appease or bribe Iran.

Next is Cuba!

(03-15-2026, 04:38 PM)putnam6 Wrote: While millions of Iranian women were being raped, beaten, and abused, the Iranian government sanctioned it

The numbers aren't even comparable; 

(03-15-2026, 04:39 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 04:32 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: Well, I'm glad the US and Israel are finally doing this to Iran.

We've had every president since Carter ignore Iran, or appease or bribe Iran.

Next is Cuba!

Cuba is already falling.  They are falling because we went into Venezuela and cleaned up some of their corrupt government and practices.   The powers out in Cuba.   So the people will probably liberate themselves soon.   Sitting in the dark gets tiresome.  So we won't have to do a thing.

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(03-15-2026, 04:38 PM)putnam6 Wrote: While millions of Iranian women were being raped, beaten, and abused, the Iranian government sanctioned it

The numbers aren't even comparable; 

Highlighted for the truth of it.  There are 22,000 ICE agents and there was only one alleged incident of sexual abuse in jail, and it was investigated/prosecuted.   Trying to make it sound like there is systemic sanctioned rape by ICE in jails is propaganda, and really ridiculous propaganda at that.

(03-15-2026, 04:39 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 04:32 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: Well, I'm glad the US and Israel are finally doing this to Iran.

We've had every president since Carter ignore Iran, or appease or bribe Iran.

Next is Cuba!

Cuba is already falling.  They are falling because we went into Venezuela and cleaned up some of their corrupt government and practices.   The powers out in Cuba.   So the people will probably liberate themselves soon.   Sitting in the dark gets tiresome.  So we won't have to do a thing.

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(03-15-2026, 04:38 PM)putnam6 Wrote: While millions of Iranian women were being raped, beaten, and abused, the Iranian government sanctioned it

The numbers aren't even comparable; 

Highlighted for the truth of it.  There are 22,000 ICE agents and there was only one alleged incident of sexual abuse in jail, and it was investigated/prosecuted.   Trying to make it sound like there is systemic sanctioned rape by ICE in jails is propaganda, and really ridiculous propaganda at that.

Quote: I never said rape by ICE is sanctioned, you said that. Word salads and confusion won't work here. The truth is the sexual abuse against women in your military and policing is disgusting.

(03-15-2026, 03:36 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:35 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:24 PM)putnam6 Wrote: How the left's ultra-feminists seemingly ignore the complete domination of Iranian women.

How anyone in the free Western world can defend the government of Iran is astounding.  Will full ignorance.

Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves?

(03-15-2026, 03:44 PM)quintessentone Wrote: If Iran wanted to destroy Israel they could have done it easily within that timeframe. Israel can't win any wars without the USA .

Quote:It's not about that it's about Zionist donors buying your government leaders to push Zionist expansionist goals in that region.

(03-15-2026, 05:08 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:36 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:35 PM)YesItsMe Wrote:

(03-15-2026, 03:24 PM)putnam6 Wrote: How the left's ultra-feminists seemingly ignore the complete domination of Iranian women.

How anyone in the free Western world can defend the government of Iran is astounding.  Will full ignorance.

Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves?

Legally speaking, no one can claim a right to "self defense" when they start the brawl. hat is a well established legal principle. Otherwise folks could go around punching random strangers in the nose, then shoot them when they respond in kind. That's not legal, nor can it be classified as "self defense".

Iran most definitely started this brawl, ergo, no possible claims of a right to "self defense".

Additionally, there is a concept known as "escalation of force". It allows for the level of force necessary to overcome resistance from the opponent, and no more. Iran has also violated that principle, although their capacity to continue doing so is rapidly diminishing.

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