(02-25-2026, 06:16 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: There is nothing to be jealous about U.S now . Once great nation decided to flush all down to toilet ..."decided" = vote people who can do it.

Regarding U.S economy , are you realizing all the details? Other countries buy your dept so you can keep up in the spiraling dept economy.  If others like the Europe would decide we dont want to play that game anymore , you would need to really carefully think your next move . You want to be all in your own ? okey....lets do it,  no issue to me .

Quote:DO Other countries buy US debt so you can keep up in the spiraling debt economy?

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Yes, many other countries (and foreign investors) do buy U.S. government debt — primarily in the form of U.S. Treasury securities (bonds, notes, and bills) — and this helps finance the U.S. federal government's borrowing needs as the national debt continues to grow (now well over $36 trillion in recent data).Foreign purchases aren't specifically done "so the U.S. can keep up in the spiraling debt economy," but rather because U.S. Treasuries are seen as one of the safest and most reliable investments in the world. They are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, which has never defaulted on its debt, and they offer a stable return in the world's primary reserve currency (the U.S. dollar).Key Facts on Foreign Holdings (Latest Available Data, Around Late 2025 / Early 2026)

• Total foreign holdings of U.S. Treasuries are around $9–9.4 trillion (a record high in some reports), representing roughly 30–32% of the debt held by the public (the portion not held internally by the government itself, like Social Security trust funds).
  
• The majority of U.S. debt (over two-thirds) is held domestically — by U.S. individuals, institutions, banks, the Federal Reserve, pension funds, etc.
  
• Foreign holdings have fluctuated but declined as a percentage in recent years (from peaks around 49% in 2011) even as absolute amounts rose, partly because domestic demand has been strong and total debt has grown faster.
  

Top foreign holders (based on recent Treasury data, e.g., November/December 2025 figures in billions of USD):

• Japan: ~$1,185–1,203 billion (largest holder, often for reserves and safe investments).
  
• United Kingdom: ~$866–889 billion (includes a lot through financial hubs and private investors).
  
• China (Mainland): ~$683 billion (has been declining over the years from higher levels).
  
• Others in the top ranks: Belgium, Canada, Ireland, etc.
  

Many other countries hold smaller amounts, and some holdings are through private investors or custodians rather than governments directly.Why Do Foreign Countries/Investors Buy U.S. Debt?Countries and foreign entities buy U.S. Treasuries for practical economic reasons, not charity or to enable U.S. overspending:

• Safety and liquidity — Treasuries are a "risk-free" benchmark asset during global uncertainty.
  
• Reserve management — Many central banks hold dollars from trade surpluses (e.g., exporting more to the U.S. than importing) and invest them in Treasuries to earn interest without much risk.
  
• Currency stability — For export-heavy nations like China or Japan, buying Treasuries helps manage exchange rates (keeping their currency from appreciating too much, which could hurt exports).
  
• Diversification and returns — It's a stable way to park large sums of money.
  

In short, foreign buying helps keep U.S. borrowing costs lower (by increasing demand for Treasuries, which keeps interest rates down) and supports the dollar's global role. But it's a two-way street: the U.S. benefits from this demand, while foreign sellers/holders get a secure asset and influence over dollar-based assets.If foreign demand dropped sharply (unlikely in the near term), the U.S. would face higher interest rates to attract buyers, potentially slowing growth or increasing costs — but the system has adjusted before through domestic buyers and Fed actions.This is a normal part of global finance, not a scheme to perpetuate debt spirals, though the overall U.S. debt trajectory does raise long-term sustainability questions for economists across the spectrum.

(02-25-2026, 07:39 PM)Freija Wrote: YAY! Three cheers for political divisiveness and the successful strategy of divide and conquer / us vs. them. It’s working just as designed.

Glad to see everyone here is doing their part rather than coming together toward common solutions. The push & pull of rampant sideism tends to cancel out progress in all directions. Keep up the good work, folks!

(02-25-2026, 11:58 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: If you would just agree with me and not be divisive, then it'd all be okay.  

(02-26-2026, 12:09 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(02-25-2026, 11:58 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: If you would just agree with me and not be divisive, then it'd all be okay.  

I mean, it's ok with me if you're a Leftist about to finally come out of the closet, but day-yum would I ever be shocked!


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(02-26-2026, 12:09 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(02-25-2026, 11:58 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: If you would just agree with me and not be divisive, then it'd all be okay.  

That's one of the most Left-wing sentiments I've ever heard on Rogue-Nation!

Are you SURE you're a Right winger?

OR are we just playing Devil's Advocate here?

I mean, it's ok with me if you're a Leftist about to finally come out of the closet, but day-yum would I ever be shocked!


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(02-25-2026, 11:58 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: ...
If you would just agree with me and not be divisive, then it'd all be okay.  

(02-26-2026, 12:33 AM)Minstrel Wrote:

(02-25-2026, 11:58 PM)The Crying Bunny Wrote: ...
If you would just agree with me and not be divisive, then it'd all be okay.  

But What About DIVERSITY? 

(02-25-2026, 03:20 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote:  
Trump is in power because uneducated people voted him .In working ( sane ) society people wont walk to vote insane liar ,  generally very stubid , person who spend year and years with pedophiles , rapist etc etc..( the list is long)

.you guys have lost it.

(02-26-2026, 02:57 AM)ANNEE Wrote: There is issue when a poster considers anyone who doesn’t agree with them to be opposite. 

I consider myself to be “Logical Centrist”.  I can agree with part of what is stated without agreeing with all of it. 

I mostly post in social issues. I support equal rights/opportunity. Some transfer that as Left/Liberal to ALL subjects — which is incorrect. 

TOPIC:  I am still reading opinions/assessments of Trumps speech. It’s fair to say he rambles. But did he address specifically any pertinent topic?

(02-26-2026, 01:16 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: I forgot that windbag was blowing hot air and didn't bother to watch it. The GF was tired, took a nap, and missed it. She's into what the President had to say; I knew it was just Trump tooting his horn. She didn't miss anything with all the replays. 

I couldn't stand the democrat reactions or that governor's rebuttal, but she had to see what they had to say as well. While the post-game analysis was going on, I put my "noise-cancelling" headphones on and played STFC, an incredibly boring game with equally boring background music. 

Can't say I care about what our blowhard President says regarding what he wants us to believe about the state of the union. I voted for him every time, but I don't want to listen to him. I keep up with the "news", I don't need him to tell me what is obvious or try to blow smoke up my skirt because I may not be keeping up. I paid more attention to Biden, only because he was such a train wreck and so unbelievable at every level.

I'm not a mega-MAGA man, nor am I a TDS guy, I'm a right of center moderate that votes a split ticket on occasion. Even though I voted for him, I'm not on board with all his policies and watching him pat his own back for these perceived "gains".

Quote:wrongheaded
adjective
wrong·head·ed ˈrȯŋ-ˈhe-dəd 

Synonyms of [i]wrongheaded[/i]

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[b]: [/b]stubborn in adherence to wrong opinion or principles
wrongheaded in his opinions

[b]: [/b]marked by perversity [b]: [/b]contrary to sound judgment
wrongheaded advice

(02-26-2026, 04:47 PM)putnam6 Wrote:

(02-26-2026, 01:16 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: I forgot that windbag was blowing hot air and didn't bother to watch it. The GF was tired, took a nap, and missed it. She's into what the President had to say; I knew it was just Trump tooting his horn. She didn't miss anything with all the replays. 

I couldn't stand the democrat reactions or that governor's rebuttal, but she had to see what they had to say as well. While the post-game analysis was going on, I put my "noise-cancelling" headphones on and played STFC, an incredibly boring game with equally boring background music. 

Can't say I care about what our blowhard President says regarding what he wants us to believe about the state of the union. I voted for him every time, but I don't want to listen to him. I keep up with the "news", I don't need him to tell me what is obvious or try to blow smoke up my skirt because I may not be keeping up. I paid more attention to Biden, only because he was such a train wreck and so unbelievable at every level.

I'm not a mega-MAGA man, nor am I a TDS guy, I'm a right of center moderate that votes a split ticket on occasion. Even though I voted for him, I'm not on board with all his policies and watching him pat his own back for these perceived "gains".

Pretty much agree...

Everybody has thier life experiences that shape who they are and what they think... "core beliefs." 

I don't trust or believe any politician; my skepticism of Biden is different from my skepticism of Trump.

Trump is wrong quite a bit, but Ive never agreed over 60% or so with any President, #1 BUT the Democrats currently aren't just wrong, they are wrongheaded. 

For perspective, I have Trump currently at 53% putnam6 approval rating

Quote:wrongheaded
adjective
wrong·head·ed ˈrȯŋ-ˈhe-dəd 

Synonyms of [i]wrongheaded[/i]

1

[b]: [/b]stubborn in adherence to wrong opinion or principles
wrongheaded in his opinions

[b]: [/b]marked by perversity [b]: [/b]contrary to sound judgment
wrongheaded advice