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Guidestones Rant - F2d5thCav - 10-24-2025
So, been about three years since the "Georgia Guidestones" were destroyed after being vandalized.
Why a rant ?
Because of the manufactured mystery aspect of the Stones.
A mysterious individual engages a local firm to erect huge granite stones. Not only that, the stones are so arranged and carved that they can function as both a clock and a calendar. And to top it all off, they include "commandments" in several languages intended to guide humanity as to how to survive after an apocalypse.
I mean, think about it. This person revealed their identity to the local banker but told him to keep it secret. The project in 1980 cost some $100,000 and the money was sent by bank transfer.
Umm, that means there are bank records regarding the transfer, like ... whose account it came from. But no one has apparently ever shown any curiosity about that.
The other huge red flag is the property upon which the stones were erected. Who owned that property ? Let's get real, OF COURSE they knew about the construction and probably had a good idea of, at the least, the group behind the construction of the stones. But again, no one seemed curious about that.
Finally, there is the question of local planning officials, the mayor, etc. They knew damned well about the project and were happy with it, else it would NOT have been completed. I mean (again), one doesn't just go to one state in the USA from another state and fund the construction of such a project without collaborators. Just the permissions required can be a legal mess, but in this case, it was apparently no issue at all.
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Some people have dug into this affair. It seems likely the person who spoke to the banker and construction company in Elberton was a Doctor Herbert Kersten from Fort Dodge, Iowa. Kersten was known for having far ranging speculations on topics like overpopulation (something mentioned on the stones). As well, his writing style depicted in letters to the editor in his local newspaper resemble the style used in the written communications to the banker in Elberton.
As someone on find-a-grave asked, "why all the secrecy" ?
Continues ...
Moreover, one might ask, "what good did this project do ?"
Elberton officials appreciated the tourism associated with the Stones and moaned bitterly when they were destroyed, but that kind of "good" hardly matches the Olympian tone adopted by the commands that were etched into the stones. No, this wasn't about helping anyone directly, or to prepare, or in any other regard. It was an act of showing off, a way of saying, "look at what we can do and you yokels will never know who was behind it".
By why Kersten, and why a location in Georgia ?
Cav's take: Kersten was a Mason. He had met with other Masons over the years and at some point, the idea for a project like this had germinated. People put their money where their mouth was and someone in the group was either the owner of the land used for the project or had influence over the owner. The banker, the builder, the local officials ... all were in on it. Whether the last group were all Masons ... who knows. All they needed to know is that an ostensibly harmless construction project had potential to bring tourists and their spending to a rural corner of Georgia.
And why Masons ? Why, of course, because it was a huge stone (masonry) project. Just the thing they're good at, and, as a "secret" society, they are well practiced in lying when they believe that such behavior protects other Masons and does no overt harm. To be fair, the deceit involved is behavior that many groups would practice given the tribal instincts of people. But a project this large would have made a great Masonic secret that only those who were high enough in the organization would have knowledge of.
Of course, Kersten's family denied he had anything to do with the stones. Maybe they didn't realize he was a Mason, or didn't ask many questions about his trips, assuming they were related to his medical practice at the clinic he ran. Or perhaps they are lying to cover for him ... ultimately not important what the case was here.
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The Masons may not have realized that the monument would become mildly controversial. Some people didn't like the mystery behind it, or found the commandments and their multilingual presentation something reeking of globalist propaganda. IMO, a fair concern, after all, it wasn't like monuments like this were appearing in China, India, or the Middle East (where they would have been immediately destroyed as a monument to a false idol).
But at some point, someone, or some group, tired of the mystery theater and took direct action. Thus, after 42 years, the Stones came down. The locals who benefited from tourist dollars yelped ... but I think many simply didn't care.
As is clear from my comments here, I certainly don't miss the Stones. Had they been erected in full transparency (like asking locals there if they really wanted something like that in their area), I might feel differently. But the manufactured mystery was, as I mentioned, an act of showing off, and practically a dare to those who didn't like it ... to do something about it. And so they did.
RE: Guidestones Rant - Ninurta - 10-24-2025
I believe they were blown up because Herbert died several years ago, and on top of that they were no longer relevant, as humanity has now populated itself past the point of no return. Humanity, as a global species, can no longer survive what it has done to itself. None of the languages giving advice on the stones will survive what is coming, what humanity has already done to itself. This has nothing to do with fictitious "climate change" or any of that rot, it has to do only with humanity outstripping the carrying capacity, resource wise, of the planet.
The human race, of course, will survive on, but likely only in small pockets of tribal people, probably in South America and maybe New Guinea, and almost certainly the Sentinel Islands. African tribal people are cooked, as are Australian Aboriginals, as both are too tainted by modernity at this point to survive what is coming. Likewise the North and Central American tribes. They have all become too dependent on Globalism, right along with the societies they exist within.
The human species has been here before. Look up "genetic bottlenecks". The same thing has happened, although on smaller scales, a few other times - "the Dark Ages" and "the Bronze Age Collapse" come to mind right off the top of my head. Both caused by excessive globalism and too much distributed centralization.
We learned nothing during those events, and we will learn nothing from this one, either.
Humans are just great big, upright and hairless, lemmings. There are no warnings that will ever get through to them. We are overdue for our latest collapse, but it's coming. The sheer scale of the global human overpopulation this time should make it a pretty spectacular one.
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RE: Guidestones Rant - Michigan Swamp Buck - 10-24-2025
Even without all the corruption, it's too big to handle now. It will either disintegrate into a feudal system of numerous small kingdoms or it will be tribal cells surviving on the outskirts of the collapsing civilization. If it fails quickly in a big way, I suspect a portion of the technocracy will survive and try to take over what's left, but it will take them a long time to regroup and reorganize.
RE: Guidestones Rant - babushka - 10-24-2025
(10-24-2025, 11:20 AM)Ninurta Wrote: it has to do only with humanity outstripping the carrying capacity, resource wise, of the planet.
Today I feel that is not the whole truth, it's the lifestyle, the way the system functions. There can be abundance. When each life is treated as sacred and everything is elevated birth rates would be controlled. The survival toil with no predators but ourselves is what drives overpopulation. Consume, consume, consume
Or is it densification, and not living in small communities. We become detached and siloed into functions pushed towards artificial efficiency to support the system and rewarded for it or punished when you can't afford healthcare. We don't live with aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters. No wise elders around the fire place. It's all business and escapism from miserable lives. Artificial stimulants transmitted on the monoliths made with screens, sex, drama, action, love and life. Experiences we no longer have broadcasted while medicated from everything ingested. Alchemy corrupted, sugar and salts, artificial compounds not produced for supporting a natural ecosystem. Completely sterile.
Where are the folktales, what fills us with wonder each night? The stars are no longer visible. The spectacle of dawn and dusk is lost. Tall building obstructs the view, the animals all long gone. No daily mass migrations to witness. Birds no longer bringing messages from the gods, or they still do, perhaps they still do. Seagulls fighting over scraps attacking everything squawking loudly. Pigeons kicking ***ing and peckingm unable to distinguish trash from food. Gizzards filled with coins and rusting nails.
RE: Guidestones Rant - Ninurta - 10-24-2025
(10-24-2025, 12:49 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Even without all the corruption, it's too big to handle now. It will either disintegrate into a feudal system of numerous small kingdoms or it will be tribal cells surviving on the outskirts of the collapsing civilization. If it fails quickly in a big way, I suspect a portion of the technocracy will survive and try to take over what's left, but it will take them a long time to regroup and reorganize.
I think that, as was the case in the Roman Empire, the corruption itself is a sign, a symptom, part and parcel, of the coming collapse. It is a symptom that society has become too big too effectively manage. The corruption is an outward expression of a society too sick to survive.
Medical science has advanced to the point that defective humans are now being artificially preserved who would have, 200 years ago, died in their cribs. Now they are surviving, and passing their defects - many of which are mental defects - on to the next generations... and those defects are spreading, diffusing through the populace, That is one big factor we are seeing expressed among the denizens of the cities currently, facilitating and accelerating the coming collapse.
The collapse will start in the cities, because they are where the overcrowding and rot of humanity is the most obvious and prevalent. They are where the cancer is most visible. Humans were never meant to live like insects in an ant-hill.
The "preppers" living on the outskirts of society will be the last people standing, particularly in North America, but they will eventually succumb as well, when their stored supplies are exhausted and they can no longer resupply because of the collapse of the global trade networks that they have become dependent upon. Those trade networks depend on cities as ports and distribution hubs. When the cities collapse, so do the trade networks.
In many cases, the Prepper's own preparations will be their downfall, as they are seen to be the "haves" among the "have nots",which will make them targets, ripe for the picking. Better to become a nomadic hunter-gatherer than a lone prepper or small cell of preppers tied down at a supply pile as a stationary target, desperately trying to defend their dwindling supplies from the onslaughts of the have-nots.
The same principle applies to folks who will try to grow their own food. If left alone, they could do that successfully in some cases, but the problem is that an agricultural enterprise also ties one down to a single spot that must be defended, while at the same time making them a target for marauders who want to raid their gardens for food that has become too scarce. Mobile hunting-gathering will, for a while, be the only viable option, and folks will realize that too late. Instead, people will put their faith in being tied down to a single spot where their supplies or gardens are, and will thus be stationary targets. That is what modern civilization has conditioned and predisposed people towards.
There is evidence that exact scenario played out during the Bronze Age Collapse in the outlying areas of Europe. Piles of corpses haphazardly thrown into in hastily dug shallow graves have been uncovered at some ancient European farmsteads.
Predatory marauders, too, will die off, just like everyone else. They will die in pitched battles with people defending their stashes, or they will die as they successfully clear out those stashes, use up the supplies, and starve because there are no more stashes to be found. Living off the land (rather than other people) and maintaining mobility are the keys to survival under such conditions, keys which most folks will not find. The marauders, living as predators off of the "prepared", are unwittingly exploiting a finite resource too, and when that resource is exhausted, they will die off as well as their victims did.
North America will finally become completely depopulated when the last prepper standing starves to death after having eaten the second-to-last prepper standing, and can no longer resupply because he or she put too much faith in global trade networks, and never bothered to figure out how to live on his or her own without that dependency for resupply. Surviving from scratch is much, much harder than people realize. When you have to make EVERYTHING you use to survive from scratch, from materials you can find in your immediate vicinity. When the last bullet in their stock is fired, what then? How many people can smelt their own iron for hunting gear? How many people can cast their own bronze for the same? Going even deeper, how many can chip out their own stone arrow heads or spear heads in the modern world? Make their own bows or atl-atls out of whatever they have close to hand? How many can create their own cables to restring their fancy compound bows when there is no Walmart to conveniently go to for parts, aluminum or carbon fiber arrow shafts and three bladed broadheads to tip those shafts with?
It will, eventually, become a tooth and claw madhouse, with "madhouse" being the operative word. The corruption and violence we currently see confined mostly to the cities will eventually spread throughout the rest of nations as survival without knowledge of how to survive spreads outward from them.
The Tech Gurus will likely fare no better - how do they restructure a society when they no longer have any of the raw materials or knowledge available to do that with? How do they maintain their iron grip on society when the power generator turbines that power everything they know no longer turn? They, too, will be eaten by the last surviving preppers. Beyond that, they are one of the major sources of the corruption and lunacy which are infecting society - how do they survive when that very corruption, ignorance, and lunacy are what causes the collapse to begin with?
The fictional world of "Mad Max" and "The Road Warrior" would be a luxury suite compared to the realities those people will face.
The Sentinelese Islanders on North Sentinel still have all the knowledge they need, and are entirely isolated from the modern world. They will survive. Some folks in New Guinea are still in that same condition, and they too will survive. A very few tribes in the Amazon will make it, for the same reasons, Those people will likely not even realize that the rest of the world has died. Their only indication will be that the rain forests have stopped dropping dead around them, but they will not understand how or why that happened.
Their lives will just go on as usual, but perhaps a little quieter.
One day, a nomadic hunter-gatherer, a member of one of the tribes that eventually spread back out from those primitive refugia into an empty world, will find a moldering Ipad among the crumbling rock piles that used to be cities. He will briefly wonder what it was for and who made it before he chucks it into the river since it is of no use to him. He will return to camp at sundown, ready to tell the children tales passed down through the generations around camp fires - fantastic tales of giant gleaming thunderbirds of the gods that used to cross the skies overhead, leaving white streaks of cloud in their wake. Such tales will be told as humanity begins the long, multi-millennia climb back up to collapse once again.
Humans are just big, upright, hairless lemmings. They frolic and overpopulate themselves until they outstrip their resources, and then die off en masse over and over again. There is no such thing as a "sustainable resource" when a planet's dominant population has exploded as it has on Earth.
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RE: Guidestones Rant - F2d5thCav - 10-25-2025
My conjecture is that Masons built the Stones.
Masons may have dropped them, too.
It is not like ALL Masons are one big happy family. Lots of rivalries in the "secret" societies. Maybe some other Masons got a case of the jaws with the "Elberton Gang" and decided to take away their toy.
The irony of the secrecy behind who organized their construction is that, once they were dropped, very few people cared. Zero transparency of the project also meant zero participation from the public, local to Elberton, or otherwise. Even today, a mere three years after they were destroyed, they are practically forgotten except as an occasional topic in forums like these.
RE: Guidestones Rant - Michigan Swamp Buck - 10-25-2025
(10-24-2025, 06:31 PM)babushka Wrote:(10-24-2025, 11:20 AM)Ninurta Wrote: it has to do only with humanity outstripping the carrying capacity, resource wise, of the planet.
Today I feel that is not the whole truth, it's the lifestyle, the way the system functions. There can be abundance. When each life is treated as sacred and everything is elevated birth rates would be controlled. The survival toil with no predators but ourselves is what drives overpopulation. Consume, consume, consume
Or is it densification, and not living in small communities. We become detached and siloed into functions pushed towards artificial efficiency to support the system and rewarded for it or punished when you can't afford healthcare. We don't live with aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters. No wise elders around the fire place. It's all business and escapism from miserable lives. Artificial stimulants transmitted on the monoliths made with screens, sex, drama, action, love and life. Experiences we no longer have broadcasted while medicated from everything ingested. Alchemy corrupted, sugar and salts, artificial compounds not produced for supporting a natural ecosystem. Completely sterile.
Where are the folktales, what fills us with wonder each night? The stars are no longer visible. The spectacle of dawn and dusk is lost. Tall building obstructs the view, the animals all long gone. No daily mass migrations to witness. Birds no longer bringing messages from the gods, or they still do, perhaps they still do. Seagulls fighting over scraps attacking everything squawking loudly. Pigeons kicking ***ing and peckingm unable to distinguish trash from food. Gizzards filled with coins and rusting nails.
I like your point of view. Mother nature is a bitch. Life depends on death, becomes stronger with pain and suffering, and all that matters is the selfish gene that drives us to reproduce and do it all again with another generation.
The only natural language is violence and pain and the activities of the mating season. Every living thing destroys and lives because of the death of other living things. Life consumes life to struggle, live in pain, reproduce and die.
Humans pretend and try to rationalize away the hellish existence of life, but we always make everything about us. We are still driven by the selfish gene that must continue on at the expense of the entire creation. It won't end after our deaths either. The prime material plane is the engine powering the higher planes, and so the process continues with higher forms consuming the energy of our death throws. We are the food of the gods near the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
Things are the way they are and no high minded ideas and elaborate stories will change what we are in all this. We are the intended results of evolution and we are just as natural in what we do as any plant or animal we live with. Nature only cares if we succeed and doesn't care if we go extinct because there are other life forms that will come along and be more successful at carrying the torch of life forward. Each biological failure is an opportunity for other life forms. Microbes will likely prove to be superior to our swollen craniums when we get to the ultimate finish line. Intelligence isn't really a survival trait when it gets to where we have landed.