Quote:Why does Trump continue to give support to Ukraine?

Quote:At the beginning of July 2025, the US administration confirmed that some military aid to Ukraine was being suspended while the Department of Defense conducted a capability review. That aid was reported to include Patriot air defence missiles and precision guided weapons, including artillery.

That decision was reported to have surprised the White House and the US State Department, and just a few days later that assistance, at the direction of President Trump, resumed.

On 14 July 2025, the US administration also announced a new package of military assistance to Ukraine (referred to as the Prioritised Ukraine Requirements List (PURL) mechanism). However, this does not mean a return to full and unconditional US military support for Ukraine. President Trump has been clear that the US will not pay for any of this new assistance. It will be funded by NATO allies, and some assets, including Patriot air defence systems, will be delivered to backfill European capabilities that will be sent to Ukraine in the first instance. The NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutte, has said that it is “totally logical” for Europe to step up and fund US assistance.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10308/

(12-16-2025, 05:29 PM)gortex Wrote: ...

As far as I'm aware he doesn't send support to Ukraine he sells American armour to the UK and Europe for us to give to Ukraine , my question would be why does Trump support Russia ?

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(12-16-2025, 06:01 PM)Ninurta Wrote: If I had to hazard a guess for the reasons for our continued misadventures in the Ukraine, I'd have to say I think they are threefold:

1) if you'll recall, we have somewhere between 11 and 30 biological warfare labs in the Ukraine that we don't want to give back to Russia.

2) we want to rape the Ukraine of her natural resources, mostly of the mineral variety.

3) While we neither need nor want the Ukraine's grain, we want to deny Russia her traditional breadbasket, which has always been the Ukraine.

But it's a fool's game to interfere in Russian internal affairs in the Ukraine. The Ukraine is, and has always been, Russian. Shit fire, the capitol, Kiev, was founded by the Kievan Rus, a Swedish viking group that the entirety of Russia takes her name from! How much more Russian can you get?

While Russia is not to be trusted in general, they aren't all bad. Recall that Putin led the charge against international banksters, which is likely the real reason he initially came under fire - the Deep State can't have an entire country bucking against it's control mechanisms. Killary Klinton led the Deep State charge against Russia, with her "Big Red Button", if you'll recall. That had Deep State fingerprints all over it.

Russia seems to have hitched her wagon to China in a time when it looked  like China had [pockets deep enough to bankroll an alternate financial control mechanism of the world with her "Belts and Roads Initiative", which was really just a scheme to perform back door invasions and takeovers of land in countries not hers. Now that the financial bra straps are slipping off her shoulders, Russia is trying to figure out a way to cut the cable on the anchor that China is about to become, I think.

I personally think we ought to leave Russian internal problems like the Ukraine to the Russians, and stop meddling in them. I see no difference between what we are doing there and a hypothetical situation in which California were to secede from the US, and when the US tried to re-annex her as it did with the Confederate States, Russia and China started pouring resources into California to shore up their shaky regime and keep them separate from the US, denying America of most of her Pacific ports. Would we stand for that if it were to happen? If not, why are we doing the exact same thing to Russia?

Is Russia a danger? Of course it is. We've made ourselves an enemy of Russia when we didn't have to. That breeds even more bad blood. We have to keep an eye on all "western" borders with Russia, watching for untoward incursions... but, at the same time, we are artificially trying to slip the border to the wrong side of the Ukraine... and that ain't gonna have a good ending.

Staling other folks' land rarely does have a good outcome.

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(12-17-2025, 05:20 AM)Minstrel Wrote: When you say "we" don't want to give the bio-labs back to Russia...are you saying "we, the American people", or, "we, NATO"?

Quote:And, likewise, in saying "don't want to give back to Russia", are you implying/thinking that Russia would do the same with them, as have we?
Is Russia, just as deeply in that game as...everyone-else?

Quote:I agree that we do not need Ukraine's breadbasket...today.
If I were Joseph, however, and foresaw the possibility of unprecedented famine/s hitting the Western hemisphere - having an ally in the Eastern hemisphere with notable breadbasket, might not be an unheard-of bit of preventative maintenance...'til we see how Moscow and Kiev are going to play this thing out.

Quote:I would like to see Russia find a way to drop China and continue to maintain its distance from the IMF.