Quote:...a man I shall call “Major Murphy,” although his actual rank is much higher than that of Major....Major Murphy, who retired from a U.S. Intelligence service quite a few years ago, had seen action in World War II in Italy...

Then he posed a question that, obvious as it seems, had not really occurred to me: “What makes you think that UFOs are a scientific problem?”...Now, the UFO phenomenon could be controlled by alien beings. “If it is,” added the Major, “then the study of it doesn’t belong in science. It belongs in Intelligence.” Meaning counterespionage. And that, he pointed out, was his domain.

Now, the UFO phenomenon could be controlled by alien beings. “If it is,” added the Major, “then the study of it doesn’t belong in science. It belongs in Intelligence.” Meaning counterespionage. And that, he pointed out, was his domain.

“Are you saying that the UFO data we use to compile statistics and to find patterns with computers are useless?” I asked. “Might we be spinning our magnetic tapes endlessly discovering spurious laws?”

“It all depends on how the team on the other side thinks. If they know what they’re doing, there will be so many cutouts between you and them that you won’t have the slightest chance of tracing your way to the truth. Not by following up sightings and throwing them into a computer. They will keep feeding you the information they want you to process. What is the only source of data about the UFO phenomenon? It is the UFOs themselves!”

First you should work entirely outside of the organized UFO groups; they are infiltrated by the same official agencies they are trying to influence, and they propagate any rumor anyone wants to have circulated. In Intelligence circles, people like that are historical necessities. When you’ve worked long enough for Uncle Sam, you know he is involved in a lot of strange things. The data these groups get are biased at the source, but they play a useful role. “Second, you should look for the irrational, the bizarre, the elements that do not fit: that’s what I have come to observe at this meeting tonight. Have you ever felt that you were getting close to something that didn’t seem to fit any rational pattern, yet gave you a strong impression that it was significant?”

Quote:I told him about the incident involving Melchizedek. He looked at me in a strange way and said: “I would follow that track seriously if I were you.”

Quote:Genuine “contactees” like Helen are already busy preparing these changes. They mean business. They are sincere. They obey what they believe to be orders coming from a higher cosmic level. Most scientists think this is a delusion of no importance. I differ from them in believing that these contactees are being used in a dangerous way, and that the symbolism they propagate will make a deep impact on our lives.

Quote:Genuine “contactees” like Helen are already busy preparing these changes. They mean business. They are sincere. They obey what they believe to be orders coming from a higher cosmic level. Most scientists think this is a delusion of no importance. I differ from them in believing that these contactees are being used in a dangerous way, and that the symbolism they propagate will make a deep impact on our lives.


They take lie detector tests and pass them: Betty Hill in Portsmouth, Charlie Hickson in Pascagoula, Travis Walton in Arizona. We are asked to accept this “scientific evidence.” We enter a hospital room in Anaheim, California. A young woman is speaking slowly in a hypnotic trance. She recalls an amazing experience:

I’m lying on one of those tables. Uh – that one that was closest to me still seems to be the one that’s in charge of things. Uh – my heart is beating really fast because I’m really scared, even though he has communicated to me not to be afraid.

The hypnotist, a medical doctor with long clinical experience, gently urges her on.

Got…one of those machines for taking the blood. It’s like a needle on the long end of one of those tubes. So, it’s just – took it out real quick. Almost like a vacuum. And…his fingers are kind of cold and clammy.

Another piece of data for the extraterrestrial file? Guess again. This young woman is a subject who has never seen a UFO. She demonstrates that the “abduction” experience is a constant that hypnosis can trigger in almost anybody.

(01-06-2026, 10:00 AM)F2d5thCav Wrote: The mucking about of intel agencies in the phenomena is messy.

Regarding abductions, there was a semi-famous case in France in which French intel operators abducted someone and tried to make the abductee think it was a UFO/entity abduction.

Quote:Mishlove: But you did repeat that study with the famous out of body experiencer, Robert Monroe. 

Tart: Yes. And he couldn’t quite do as well on some things and his physiology was different. Again, it demonstrated the validity of this stuff. We can apply science and learn more about OBEs. It’s not just, well, there are these weird people who have funny experiences. The idea of the soul has clearly come through an out-of-the-body experience all through history. It’s not Greek theologians debating about a word that means wind and then just arrive at the concept of the soul.

Quote:Mishlove: You got associated with Dr. Andrija Puharich back in the 1950s. He had the Round Table Foundation, as I recall, up in Maine. Puharich is known these days mostly, I suppose, for his discovery of Uri Geller, the Israeli psychic, but back in those days he had an active research program, and you became an associate of his. 

Tart: Yeah, in 1953 I went off to college, MIT. I thought I was going to be an engineer.

Quote:Tart: We had a psychic research club that we had founded. We had Puharich come down and talk. I was fascinated enough by what he’d done to say, “I need a summer job to earn money for college. You’ve got a position open?” He had a research assistant position open. I earned a dollar an hour, which I thought was good back then.

Mishlove: In fact, you are the person who introduced the phrase ‘out-of-body experience’ into the research literature. 

Tart: Although, unfortunately, I originally thought out-of-the-body experiences needed an acronym to be scientific: so O-O-B-E’s, out-of-body experiences. I made a terrible mistake because people started coming up to me after lectures saying, “I want to tell you about my OOBEs.” I never thought anybody would pronounce it. So just OBE’s, out-of-body experiences.

Quote:State of the U(fo)nion

With the appearance of Jacques Vallee amongst the panelists at Sol, I am left to wonder if he is reminded of his past work, specifically 1979’s Messengers of Deception. This book, more focused on the dynamics of UFO belief than the phenomena itself, sees Vallee reach uncomfortable conclusions about where the culture was being led when left to its own devices on the fringes. He writes:

"I don't think we should expect salvation from the sky. I believe there is a very real UFO problem. I have also come to suspect that it is being manipulated for political ends. And the data suggest that the manipulators may be human beings with a plan for social control. Such plans have been made before, and have succeeded. History shows that having a cosmic mythology as part of such a plan is not always necessary. But it certainly helps."

Vallee also is concerned about another development seen in the rise of UFO religions: "In the absence of serious, unbiased research on the subject, the belief in the imminence of UFO ‘contact’ undermines the image of Man as a master of his own destiny. Is this concern not at risk of coming to pass—albeit through Western military structures as opposed to extraterrestrial or foreign means? Are large swaths of people not allowing themselves to be subjugated by the authority of imperial powers—entities that have rarely had the greater public interest in mind?

(01-07-2026, 05:13 PM)DaphneApollo Wrote:

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He says ^ exactly what I have believed for years, the Great Delusion is coming don’t be taken in.   

Good thread

Quote:The term "beatnik" was coined by Herb Caen of the San Francisco Chronicle on April 2, 1958, blending the name of the recent Russian satellite Sputnik and Beat Generation. This suggested that beatniks were (1) "far out of the mainstream of society" and (2) "possibly pro-Communist."[59] Caen's term stuck and became the popular label associated with a new stereotype—the man with a goatee and beret reciting nonsensical poetry and playing bongo drums while free-spirited women wearing black leotards dance

Quote:After leaving Harvard in 1955, Price enlisted in the Air Force and was given an assignment in the East Bay (San Francisco Bay Area).[1]: 139  He rented a room in San Francisco at Alan Watts' and Frederic Spiegelberg's newly founded American Academy of Asian Studies (the precursor to the California Institute of Integral Studies). During this time, the North Beach Beat scene was an emerging social trend. Dick knew most of the primary figures, including Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg, and Gary Snyder.[1]: 139–40  Dick married his first wife, Bonnie, in a Zen ceremony

Quote:Richard Price (October 12, 1930 – November 25, 1985) was an American Gestalt therapist, co-founder of the Esalen Institute in 1962, and a veteran of the Beat Generation.[1]: 139–40  He ran Esalen in Big Sur for many years, sometimes virtually single-handed.[note 1][note 2] He developed a practice of hiking the Santa Lucia Mountains and developed a new form of personal integration and growth that he called Gestalt practice,[2] partly based upon Gestalt therapy and Buddhist practice

Quote:In this sense, then, and as appropriately translated, the Lady wished to be called the “Entirely Perfect Virgin, Holy Mary, who will crush, stamp out, abolish, and eradicate the stone serpent.” The “stone serpent” refers to the dreaded feathered serpent deity Quetzalcoatl, the most monstrous of all the Aztec gods, to whom twenty thousand human sacrifices were offered annually. 
The Aztecs seemed to have taken this as a direct command from the invisible realms, and human sacrifice came to an abrupt end. By 1539, upward of eight million Aztecs had embraced the Catholic faith as a direct result of the sacred image on the tilma. Had the apparition not occurred both the secular and religious histories of Mexico would have been quite different.

Quote:I'm talking 2008, dude. People that were into UFOs at the time were
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like tinfoil hats. like legitimately
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the kind of people that would actually wear tin foil ads. Um, and would with a
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straight face be telling you stuff like, you know, a gray came into their room and took their eggs
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or, you know, some blue feathery being all this weird crap, dude. Like, there
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was so many weird people that were into this stuff. And they mocked us for being religious
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because dad was the first person on the scene who said that the UFO phenomenon was spiritual, that it was, you know,
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religious or or angelic or anything like that. So, we were blackalled by the church
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and we were blackalled by the UFO community

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So in those days of you know the 2008 2009
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that era we were the only people we were absolutely the only people
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talking about orbs um talking about orbs in the context
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that is not related to graveyard photography. You know what I mean?
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Because what existed before that would be ghost hunting shows. They would go to orbs. They I mean they'd go to graveyards, they'd take pictures, and
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then they would get like orbs in the photos. They weren't necessarily seeing orbs, but they would be in the photos.
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So, that existed, right? Um, nobody was talking about them
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like we were, period. Um, nobody was talking about them from a
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consciousness perspective in the sense that you could communicate with these beings like uh spiritually or
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telepathically or anything like that. It was all this like materialistic
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scientology, science fiction narrative at the time of UFOs

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This phenomenon is very complicated and what it is is
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something that has been written about since time immemorial, right? And it goes all the way back to before recorded
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history to the times of maybe you could say Atlantis
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and they are written about in the Bible and various other mythological cultures, right?

Quote:This book tries to answer two questions: 1) Why has the U.S. Government suddenly done an about-face in 2021, from debunking UFOs to officially admitting that they are “real”? 2) Since UFOs appear on radar, leave physical traces, and produce a wide spectrum of psychic and paranormal phenomena, exactly what are they? The answer to the first question is: “Because ‘disclosure’ is part of a long-term social engineering project beginning at least as early as the end of WWII.” The answer to the second is: “They are psycho-physical entities such as have been reported throughout human history, called the Jinn by the Muslims and Fairies by the Northern Europeans. The social engineers have opted to use this well-known phenomenon—whether or not they fully understand it—to shift the paradigm in the Western world from Democracy and Christianity to Technocracy and Transhumanism. Extensive evidence is given for both these theories, drawing upon history, individual and social psychology, traditional metaphysics and eschatology, the physical sciences, and the phenomenology of the paranormal, thus producing the most global and consistent explanation to date—if not the most easily accepted one—of the UFO phenomenon.


Charles Upton, poet and metaphysician, was born on December 13, 1948, in San Francisco, California. He is a protege of the Beat Generation, a veteran of the psychedelic counterculture, a peace activist, a Sufi Muslim, a writer of the Traditionalist/Perennialist School, and author of 20 books, mostly on “metaphysics and social criticism.” In 2013, along with Dr. John Andrew Morrow, he co-founded the international Muslim/Interfaith peace movement known as the Covenants Initiative, and is presently Executive Director of the Covenants of the Prophet Foundation. He has been writing on the subject of UFOs since 2001.

Quote:“Je suis la Mere du Verbe.” (I am the Mother of the Verb.) This opening line of the conversation is difficult largely because no one seems to have really understood what was meant by “Mother of the Verb.” In obsolete English, however, “verb” was used to mean “word.” “I am the Mother of the Word” might be a correct translation. As it was, this slight confusion was quickly passed over as the Lady asked of Alphonsine: “What do you want [or prefer] of religion?” 

Alphonsine responded: “I love God and His Mother, who gave us a Child who saves us!” 

“It is thus,” spoke the figure, “that I come to reassure you, for I’ve heard your prayers. I would like your companions to have more faith, because they don’t believe sufficiently.”

(01-31-2026, 05:43 PM)babushka Wrote: I just got to comment again on the bledsoe stuff, something very strange is going on there, their claims are neither new or unique and I don't know why they think it is...

https://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/unapproved_apparitions/index.html

This is just a random snapshot, the list is endless

Quote:“Je suis la Mere du Verbe.” (I am the Mother of the Verb.) This opening line of the conversation is difficult largely because no one seems to have really understood what was meant by “Mother of the Verb.” In obsolete English, however, “verb” was used to mean “word.” “I am the Mother of the Word” might be a correct translation. As it was, this slight confusion was quickly passed over as the Lady asked of Alphonsine: “What do you want [or prefer] of religion?” 

Alphonsine responded: “I love God and His Mother, who gave us a Child who saves us!” 

“It is thus,” spoke the figure, “that I come to reassure you, for I’ve heard your prayers. I would like your companions to have more faith, because they don’t believe sufficiently.”

The Great Apparitions of Mary: An Examination of Twenty-Two Supranormal Appearances
Ingo Swann